Well right now every character is directly controlled by the player, so like i said, you'd just select each character from the middle menu with the silhouettes, and the camera would just jump to whoever you controlled. now, as for attacking, defending, etc, yeah it wouldnt work because that's autonomous.toxiciron wrote:Yeah, that could be very nice because as of right now it kinda feels like a 4x game... however, as soon as you have more than 1 the control might get wonky, and nobody will probably want to just play with one character... well... actually, maybe the game could be changed so that they would. For instance, when you hire people to work for you, I doubt they'd want to spend the rest of their life with you. Maybe there is some sort of linear rate you could hire people for, like 50 cats every day, and the rate increases for better people. And of course, you could possibly get indefinitely loyal companions, maybe if you save them or buy out their career. I feel like I'm on a big tangent...
That's all fine and dandy, but IRL, would you be able to go to a bar and pay someone a bit of money to give up their life to follow you until the day they die? Hell no. They'd only agree to do it for a little while at most, and they'd only stay with you indefinitely if they truly WERE your friends or if you payed them tons of money up front. At least, that's how I'd do it if I were the dudes in the bars. Because seriously... the armor you outfit them with is worth more than you payed them to follow you to certain death.zibathy wrote:If you make it so you have to pay people, it ruins the RPG feel. I want to pretend I have 20 friends surviving together making a stake in the world, pooling their resources (money). My friends wouldn't ask me to pay them for fighting with them and getting wounded with them daily and risking my life picking their wounded bodies up off the battleground and carrying them to safety. That's just ridiculous. However, if you only have one character I think the default should probably be WASD while you have that one character, or have an option to have WASD controls for whatever unit you have selected. Then you would just have to put your mouse on the edge of the screen to move the camera. I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I always use the WASD keys for camera movement, so an option to be toggled would be good to me...
So then how do you acquire new members? You just start out with 50 of your friends? That would mean EVERYONE's a mercenary. I'm not gonna pay 500,000 an hour to keep my team. I can understand that for hired swords, but not the guys you get in the bar for 700 cats. If this idea ever got implemented I would stop playing and I know Chris wouldn't put something like this into the game unless it specifically addressed the hired mercenaries only. I'm not going to have disloyal miscreants in my faction, when I could literally die at any moment and then what? My faction disappears according to your logic.toxiciron wrote: That's all fine and dandy, but IRL, would you be able to go to a bar and pay someone a bit of money to give up their life to follow you until the day they die? Hell no. They'd only agree to do it for a little while at most, and they'd only stay with you indefinitely if they truly WERE your friends or if you payed them tons of money up front. At least, that's how I'd do it if I were the dudes in the bars. Because seriously... the armor you outfit them with is worth more than you payed them to follow you to certain death.
My suggestion to Chris is that there is a difference between friends and mercenaries... perhaps I should make a new thread so I cease the hijacking?
Also, way to completely miss the point of my whole post and do nothing but get offended.toxiciron wrote:Wow, that's really a pretty disrespectful post. Perhaps you could be a bit more judgemental? Does a passing comment really make you THAT angry? You need to take some medication, dude. I literally can't believe that you'd get so angry about this...
My suggestions have a greater feel of realism than of RPG-ness. Have you ever played Mount and Blade? That is exactly like what I'm thinking for the recruitment system. It wasn't "stupid" for that game, it worked very well. It was FUN. I'm just trying to make suggestions that will want to convince players to play by themselves for the MMO style camera to work. Way to miss the point of my post. Otherwise it's a completely useless suggestion in the first place, as development time could be used for more useful things, and I'm not about to go bashing people's ideas. Mount and Blade is actually a very similar game to Kenshi in terms of gameplay style, before you dismiss it as completely unrelated, as I feel you may do. And seriously, when I signed up for this forum, I did it to have fun talking to people and being positive and constructive, not to have a bunch of assholes telling me how "stupid" my ideas are. It's inconceivable to me that people can be such douche bags just to seem intellectually higher up. That's something teenagers do.zibathy wrote:No, I just feel strongly about it. I think that would completely ruin the whole concept of the game. It's like taking swords out of the game. Imagine the selling point of the game being "Create a massive squad... that you have to pay every day otherwise it will leave you, so there is no incentive to create a squad. Kenshi - An open ended, squad-based Strategy RPG that encourages you not to make a squad." I don't go around saying any idea is bad except for this one. It's not FUN having a group of people who you have to constantly pay in order to have fun. It literally has squad-based in every description and currently if it was implemented you literally would go bankrupt unless you constantly looted.
I have a squad of about 20 people and I'm not paying them. I am not going to spend all my time looting just to keep my team from falling apart. That sounds miserable and like more painful micromanage than I would ever want in any game. How are people supposed to build wealth or get more powerful if their faction costs more and more money? How are you supposed to get 100,000 cats to build an outpost if you have to spend half of what you get on keeping your friends from stabbing you in the back? If you got robbed in the game of all your money, you're saying your whole team would leave you and all of your work would just go away? No. I don't like that, if I'm not being clear enough.
Except this is Kenshi, and we're already going to have to pay for food, and armor, and weapons, and this is squad based not solo play. You're literally not supposed to play alone. That completely defeats the point of playing a "squad-based" game. The reason why everyone isn't jumping at this thread is because nobody plays solo except for people who really like making things as impossible as can be for themselves, which is understandable, but if 1,000,000 people played this game, 10,000 or less would play solo. It is just a hassle and the only ways to make money right now are looting and trading. You'd have to constantly loot if you wanted a massive trading caravan cause you have to pay them all. Not everybody wants to loot. Do you think the Dust Bandits pay their people? Or that the Hungry Bandits do? If you're a criminal and you don't want to pay you seriously have to play alone? If you lost relationships with everyone and couldn't trade and make money and your only hope was to loot building materials off traders to start a business, your numbers would dwindle until you have a lone person doing something impossible. All it does is restrict your gameplay.toxiciron wrote: My suggestions have a greater feel of realism than of RPG-ness. Have you ever played Mount and Blade? That is exactly like what I'm thinking for the recruitment system. It wasn't "stupid" for that game, it worked very well. It was FUN. I'm just trying to make suggestions that will want to convince players to play by themselves for the MMO style camera to work. Way to miss the point of my post. Otherwise it's a completely useless suggestion in the first place, as development time could be used for more useful things, and I'm not about to go bashing people's ideas. Mount and Blade is actually a very similar game to Kenshi in terms of gameplay style, before you dismiss it as completely unrelated, as I feel you may do. And seriously, when I signed up for this forum, I did it to have fun talking to people and being positive and constructive, not to have a bunch of assholes telling me how "stupid" my ideas are. It's inconceivable to me that people can be such douche bags just to seem intellectually higher up. That's something teenagers do.
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Toggling options are always good. Even though I would probably prefer the current system, some people might enjoy playing it like this. Question is, how do you implement it, so that one system is not OP?neofall wrote:Hi guys and sorry it look like i was misunderstood.
I was talking about an option that you can put in the ''option'' menu,the current system would still be the normal one,but for people who like to play a little bit more solo it could be nice.I dont think it would ruin the game putting an option to the game =/.
Anyway,the game is great
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