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[Zeal]

I not attacked you in any way, I explained and responded to all your issues you had on my post.
As you are free do to so as well

the spelling was a free gift .

nothing conceptual about my statements, and my purpose is clear in my statement.

Hence I do not see your problem.

I did not attack you*
As you are free to do so as well*

Seems you're not so perfect yourself.

[Hatsune_Neko]

warning have been issued
postes edited for content.
facts has been presented. this is not based on fanboy mechanics
info has been given and if not corrected by Admin or Devs this is considered truth.

to the Op
information has been gathered and posted. these are truths and can be found across the net.
even PR has added to this discussion adding more facts against your claims.
The admin on this forum have done the job required and posted unbiased info to you.
problems have been acked aged by allposters.
your knowledge or lack of has no meaning if not back up by fact. you can post i know of a better way but refusal to actually post of a better way is considered trolling.

and i will put it out into the open
being a smart troll and using our posting guidelines don't protect you.
being a troll is still being a troll. no matter how well articulated you present it.

[Koomatzu]

To have me telling me how you can develop more efficient is ridiculous, happy to be of service for the proper rate/hour !.

And I do not need to prove my programming experience, I am a customer of your failing product.
To give advice on 3rd engine options, this you should have done before you started !

I think you may have misunderstood Toaster Assassin, he wasn't asking for your advice, was just trying to keep the peace and help with elaboration on your side of the discussion. It's quite common for developers to use third party engines, although I understand your frustration.

There's no more I can really add when it comes to issues of trust with the whole 'money grab' thing. All I can do is update players on our progress (and that we are actually working). If you find our development pace frustrating at this stage, I'd recommend putting the game down and coming back to it in a few months at beta when the main bulk of content will be added.

Final note, if you cannot stand criticism, don't sell the game in alpha, sell it in Beta or finished.
Sell a product, you will have customers with expectations, and if you are slow in delivery or bad at managing these expectations, unhappy customers are the result.

Criticism is welcome. As part of the dev team, I haven't attacked you at any point... Since you've stated that you weren't after a discussion and this thread seems to be spiralling into an argument rather than constructive criticism, I'd suggest that we keep the peace and leave this as it is. I'm not going to lock it, since I don't want to 'censor' people's concerns. Posting complaints in forums will naturally invite debate from the player community but if people want to make personal complaints or statements then my email is available on the contact page. At your suggestion I'll also make a special complaints thread so that people can have a place to vent and rant to their heart's content

[Xunzul]

This game isn't a money machine, or wasn't intented to be, that's a casual thing it became a money machine cos, the only problem, the unique problem here is only one and one: Lo-Fi Games dev team don't have the necessary skill to program the game, to fix the game, to finish the game. We can say all possible provocation to speed up the development but, it will not work never, the only chance for us and for them is to hire a good programmer who know his work and how to fix the software problems.

Actually i played again the game and builded my own outpost completly with all aviable buildings. Game ended cos, enemies stuck on bugged map and no one of the npc traders visit my outpost, path engine fail for the 80% of cases.

I state about the develope team, they can add only new things cos they aren't able to fix bugs, so to let steam and other game publisher to sell their product they keep it alive with useless updateds. This game will never be fixed, will never be finished with the current develope team. I got banned on steam forum cos i saying this things, so for this reason i know im saying the right things, the "truth".

[Ironfist]

At your suggestion I'll also make a special complaints thread so that people can have a place to vent and rant to their heart's content

Love that, thank you.
just make sure the people can offload their complains, statements, concerns there, without being banned by the moderators, of course no foul language and bashing allowed, but expressing the feelings and complaining should be allowed.

Let it be a corner for the critics without the horde of blind followers start to go over their teapot in response.

As I said, I am not the only one, and certainly not the most strong expressing one.
it should have a place to go to and be taken seriously, I am a strong believer in getting good from criticism.

so I hail the new thread!

[Ironfist]

There's no more I can really add when it comes to issues of trust with the whole 'money grab' thing. All I can do is update players on our progress (and that we are actually working). If you find our development pace frustrating at this stage, I'd recommend putting the game down and coming back to it in a few months at beta when the main bulk of content will be added.

Perhaps an idea, if not happy with it ignore it, but the automation team has a Dev stream on the developers workplace. you can follow the coding as they do it!
It is a great concept that lets you see them do their work and interact with the fan base.

have a look on, I think its great, and gives a lot of confidence to me, that they are in it to the end.

just an idea

[Koomatzu]

Thank you for the suggestion, I will pass it on to the programmers

[Zeal]

Let it be a corner for the critics without the horde of blind followers start to go over their teapot in response.

There you go again... you don't seem to even realize what you're doing. Placing labels of blame on people for "placing labels and blame"

We aren't blind followers. No. we are followers yes, but we're far from blind. What we're doing is trying to explain to you what is going on, and in return you snap at us and tell us we're close minded and just sheep.

This is how it always goes down:
Someone who believes they understand everything and is right comes onto the forum and makes wild accusations an claims out of arrogant ignorance.

People step up and attempt to correct their false claims, and said person somehow gets upset that their own personal "facts" were disagreed with, somehow wildly justifies their "hypocrisy" and doesn't allow anyone else to disagree with them, (even the while those people are supplying evidence and facts), getting upset that others are not approving of them self disagreeing with everyone else. This escalates into a pattern of "you're all just fanboys and sheep", which results in nothing positive and them not contributing to the development of the game. They end up getting banned for becoming that, and then continue to complain on other sources about how they were severely mistreated, when they were the ones going around saying that everyone else was a blind sheep.

It has nothing to do with censoring or not being able to take both positive as well as negative criticism, as they are very open to that. It has to do with those people not taking part in discussions and considering others views themselves - shutting out the doors to everyone elses input on both their own views and the game itself, and calling everyone else blind followers. That arrogant ignorance and self-righteous shielding is behavior that is anti-participant, grinds at people's gears, and is the definition of trolling.

You are free to say what you like and feel, as is everyone else. Everyone else expressing their views that do not meet up to yours does not make them blind followers though.

As Kooma said, if this was just a statement towards the devs, you could have emailed them with your concern rather than posting the matter on the board where the community sees it. Because this is a public board where you cannot expect people to simply stand back and ignore things they see posted when they all know the statements posted are false beliefs, but are easily worded as factual statements of doomsaying.

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reading your repost in the other thread, it is far better worded than the OP of this one is. In a much better sense that the confrontation can be avoided.

[Ironfist]

I don't agree with you, and if you are not a blind follower, then why respond so firm to it, if your not than your not and no need to react to it, why so defensive?.

I just thanked the dev for making a critics corner, nothing wrong with that.

so don't go over your teapot, all has been said and a new corner has been created, one you do not have to visit if you don't want to see critical posts.
So everyone happy!
I even gave a tip on the dev stream thing!

really this thread should be closed, as we already have a new rant thread where we can rant all we want in proper form of course.

[Butta]

I state about the develope team, they can add only new things cos they aren't able to fix bugs, so to let steam and other game publisher to sell their product they keep it alive with useless updateds.

Just curious why you would think that?
At the moment they just want to add stuff so that they can fix the bugs later all at once.

[Xunzul]

I state about the develope team, they can add only new things cos they aren't able to fix bugs, so to let steam and other game publisher to sell their product they keep it alive with useless updateds.

Just curious why you would think that?
At the moment they just want to add stuff so that they can fix the bugs later all at once.

Cos the bugs more than 2 year old are expired.

Cos the path engine was rebuild from zero in the last big patch and was wrost than the older.

Cos im not blinded and im 35yrs old and i play pc games as hobby from i was 12 years old.

Cos i was a betatester and i know the beta versions are complete software where bugs must be discovered to be fixed, and kenshi at current state was alpha and is very very far away to be finalized.

The game will never turn in beta version when new stuff will be added, cos otherwise the updates will be called "Expansions" or "DLC".

Without a functional pathengine kenshi gameplay (for me) is long no more than 20 hours(a saturday and a sunday for me), without a functional path engine kenshi is only a good idea, nothing more.

[Zeal]

I don't agree with you, and if you are not a blind follower, then why respond so firm to it, if your not than your not and no need to react to it, why so defensive?.

Well i'm glad it's all settled, but you seem to post things that are just so easy to respond to because they're so blatantly far-fetched.

The same could be said to you. If you were so sure you were right, then why did you feel it necessary to respond to people disagreeing with you? don't be silly.

When people place labels and assumptions on other people that are derogatory and incorrect people are going to respond to it. That is human nature. You cannot expect people just take it.

You're free to continue to just make that claim and attempt to ignore the repercussions from it, but it will only serve to damage your interaction here. People are not going to just brush it off, and your views won't be very widely accepted or even considered if people think you have the mentality of "Oh.. everyone that posts here is just a sheep anyway."

Mutual consideration is required for a two way discussion to be appropriate. And if people don't feel like that's possible with someone they are either not going to bother, or just be disgusted seeing their name.

All you're doing is calling people out negatively and using a cop out to cover your own rear. Best not be bothered if people decide to call you derogatory things or be verbally abusive as long as you expect you're free to do so first.

[NotHatsuneNeko]

I don't agree with you, and if you are not a blind follower, then why respond so firm to it, if your not than your not and no need to react to it, why so defensive?.

I don't let cops search my car even though I have nothing in it that could get me into any sort of legal trouble. Because there are other things, such as basic principles, that can still be upheld. Basically what I'm saying is that your argument is invalid due your applied affect of "Magical Thinking". Which is a fun read if you look it up.

[Xunzul]

This last 2 post are flames and judge the op going on personal. This is at present day Kenshi, a war where are on side 1 the fanboys and on side 2 the normal customers, at certain point the referee come to ban the first who lose the patience and feed the troll, where in 100% of cases are the fanboys... bah.

[Koomatzu]

What's with all the hate? I made a nice rant room for people to have their say about Kenshi, no need for all this name calling and arguing.

Gonna lock this thread since there's not much use for it anymore. We can all agree to disagree, p-i-e-s all round.