How can i keep getting Stronger Endlessly?

[Gecekusu]

Hi, i love kenshi and everything about this game but i wonder how long can i keep playing this game? Because the thing i like the most about games is the feeling of progressing.. i want to keep achieving things and keep improving my character without a built-in limit to leveling. İ know that kenshi has a limit of 100 to all its stats and skills. İ checked construction kit but couldnt make it limitless.

So my question is.. İs there anyway that i can keep my character improving in some way or another? With or without mods is there a way? Any possibility? The only thing that comes to my mind is making a better race and better gears via construction kit every time i want to play kenshi and start anew. This is a little forced thou so dear developers would you think of making a little touch on construction kit so that i can be able to make a mod to develop my character as much as i want? Sorry for being a trouble.

Also i would love to contribute to this game in future, i am new to the game right now thou..
This game has too many things to offer, it is vastly different than other games i played. İ admire game developers for their passionate work on kenshi. Please pardon me for my poor english if i am not understandable.. Thanks.

[Hatsune_Neko]

unlikely.
mostly because going over bugs out the game. There have had reports of say thieving skill going over 100 and the game thinking it's at low level making it easy to detect what you're doing. this issue has been fixed last i knew .
but endlessly non stop getting stronger is not possible due to issues and coding.

[Gecekusu]

Hmm .. Then what if i make a mode with a weapon or armour that gives bonus to my attack/defense or unarmed/dodge? Wouldnt that give me a chance to get past 100? Lets say i edit my strength over 100,
would i be super strong with blunt weapons then or the game doesnt count it perhaps? İ will test these things out i guess but a quick heads up would help a lot

[Hatsune_Neko]

you could get it to go over
but not sure what it will do

it could possibly bug out your game like the thieving skill did and take the number over 100 and apply the last two digits as the functional number. say like you had a combat skill with bonuses of 105, the game might think that instead you have a combat skill of 5. which it what happened with the thievery skill

[Gecekusu]

Okay i have made a test and here are the results;

Character with 300 Str 300 Toughness 300 Dex; Toughness make the character unplayable as you do not receieve any damage from anything you deal with since damage resistance is over 100%. When you wear armor you get damage simply because the game counts your protection granted by armor as a bonus to damage recieved since you recieve 0 damage... Which is obviously because the game wasnt meant to run like that. Dexterity works as expected nothing noteworthy here, cut damage increased, attack speed and block speed are maxed and cant go any higher ofcourse. Strenth also works as expected, it makes your blood higher give you more damage with blunt weapons and unarmed lets you lift more etc...

Character with 200 Str 200 Toughness 200 Dex; The same things with different proportions. Toughness makes this unplayable as well because of the same reason.

However isnt this actually easy to overcome? All we need to do would be to get toughness to give diminishing results to percentage of damage resisted. And we could make it really hard to improve after a point to keep the balance in late game? İf just there was something in game that could be improved in late game like character's health or toughness or regeneration ability? İ really want to make a mod which gives players new goals, new challenges with new monsters and bosses with a very deep story which will keep improving and giving new options to players who are likeminded as me with every patch i make. İ simply love kenshi and want to contribute in anyway that i can. What i loved about kenshi is just such a Vast amount of options/possibilities, ways to go, things to do, people reacting to me felt so real and too lively to be a game.. This game fascinated me with nearly everything it had to offer in every aspect unlike any other game i have played before. But i just feel like this 100 stats limit or lets say inability to continue improving your character/outpost in some way is really frustrating for me late-game.. İ have searched on internet and i know that there are decent amount of players that are likeminded as me. So i really want to make a mod for all other players like me and help Chris and everyone who helped make such a great game happen to fascinate even more people with this world in a world that is Kenshi..

Oh by the way i really appreciate your quick replies and care hatsune, thanks

[Hatsune_Neko]

maybe the Dev will let it happen by adjusting the codes for it.
don't know though. most my guess work is based of reading the bugs forum so knows my information not fully accurate but accurate enough to get by.

but i do feel for yea about late game, it's why i originally made my first mods. even i no longer try and play tag with animals in my mods, i beefed them up pretty hard core.

but in a way the 100 limit is kinda like real life, you usually reach a predetermined limit, and only through massive and long term effort can you surpass it but at extremely small amounts. or unless you take performance enhancing drugs.

[Gecekusu]

maybe the Dev will let it happen by adjusting the codes for it.
don't know though. most my guess work is based of reading the bugs forum so knows my information not fully accurate but accurate enough to get by.

but i do feel for yea about late game, it's why i originally made my first mods. even i no longer try and play tag with animals in my mods, i beefed them up pretty hard core.

but in a way the 100 limit is kinda like real life, you usually reach a predetermined limit, and only through massive and long term effort can you surpass it but at extremely small amounts. or unless you take performance enhancing drugs.

Yeah absolutely. And all we need are those extremely small amounts that keep coming to give the character what he/she needs for upcoming trials. İf they can survive that is .

Well lets just hope Chris or one of the team reads this. Perhaps they will give us what we need to build our mods upon. By chance do you have any means to contact anyone of them about this? İf we could convey our toughts to them then that would make this topic very useful i think.

[Hatsune_Neko]

The Devs read these forums and the ones on Steam, so it's guaranteed they know about this.

[Gecekusu]

Well that is perfect then, thanks hatsune.

[philthymcnasty]

Perhaps a hard cap with toughness damage reduction?

once you hit 90% damage reduction, your character enters "awakened steroid mode" and every 10 points adds +1 to your limb health.

you still have incentive to wear armor for the soak, but you can now take moar beatings.

I have not fiddled with the code, so i do not know if the game would be cool with this, or if it would spaz out with billions of bugs.

[Gecekusu]

That seems like a really cool idea except %90 part that would be simply too op %55 or %60 reduction max and then go with +1 limb health idea that would be just great or make that %90 hell of a grind and with more variety of monsters, much harder challenges with muchh much tougher bosses that would be
exciting. Well we cant expect everything from developers but we just need a starting point then i could give from my time to make some great mods and i hope you would help as well

[philthymcnasty]

That seems like a really cool idea except %90 part that would be simply too op %55 or %60 reduction max and then go with +1 limb health idea that would be just great or make that %90 hell of a grind and with more variety of monsters, much harder challenges with muchh much tougher bosses that would be
exciting. Well we cant expect everything from developers but we just need a starting point then i could give from my time to make some great mods and i hope you would help as well

What is the in game hard cap for damage reduction? is there one?

From what i understand there is a cap for attack speed, so capping at in game levels would be ideal.

If there isn't an in game cap, then this is something of a concern...

another overlooked thing is wound deterioration. I do not understand what happens when the value gets below 1.0. does that mean the healing is faster than the deterioration, so net healing no matter what?

that is another issue at play with toughness. it is more than just damage reduction, it is also knock out time, knock out point and healing. I have noticed that toughness at the 60s makes it very hard to be knocked out with lower mid tier weapons. you get back up too quickly.

as far as stats go, this is the newest one, it does a lot, and perhaps it still needs some refinement?

[Gecekusu]

İn my opinion if you have survived that many ordeals and have become such a tough badass then it is only fair for you to get back up quickly if you are wounded by some mid-grade weapon. There is a limit of %50 damage reduction that you can reach if you play the game without any mods and max the toughness. However i havent discovered any limit to it as attack speed has. İf you make dex 1000 you still have 1.20 attack speed but if you make toughness 1000 your damage reduction becomes +400 something i guess.
Same with strength as you know.. About wound deterioration, i didnt give it much thought to be honest. İ dont even know how it works exactly either..

İ think all our concerns are easily solvable if we give time to think on them but the problem is.. What do other players think? We should look at all of this from developers' point of view if we want them to take our ideas into account. We should shape our ideas into more advertisable forms in my opinion. For example;

Our idea about giving the players a chance for infinite progress feels like chinese light novels .. İ have been familiarizing with the forum and came upon this post..

Tell us your stories
Postby Koomatzu » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:38 am

Hi everyone

I’m trying to gather some cool player stories to use in our marketing material and was hoping you could help! Kenshi’s all about the random stories and the personal experiences after all.

So here is my idea, why not help developers with this? We could create a blog and write a very interesting story about a squad of humans/humanoids surviving in kenshi, share it with other gamers on other platforms to increase visits who would be possibly kenshi fans. With a world like kenshi in our hands not making a great story out of it would be a waste in my opinion... The developers need supports to fund their future projects afterall. And from what i see it seems their hands are more than full, so i think we can help them here. What do you say?

[philthymcnasty]

I agree with this.

Part of why i am here, and enjoying this game is how the devs are very open to feedback. the other aspect is that this is a very interesting underdog story. Not since lord brittish has a guy tried to make an epic game by himself.


The problem i have with giving feedback, is that this is not a complete product. I do not know how toughness and perception are supposed to work together, or what mass combat is. I also do not understand all the mechanics, and i do not know the right questions to ask.

also, i am 80% sure that ranged will be in the game, though it is not guaranteed.

so now my new mission will be stress testing toughness. In vanilla it can not get past 100? is this hard coded in or is it just too long to do?

I have seen reports of people still getting damaged while wearing armor, like it says 0 with (-16) but they still take 1 to 4 points of damage. I would have to understand what that means. Does the hatsune_neko know what these mean? Is this a bug or is there a hard coded damage value to keep saiyan level people from running around dominating the world

[Hatsune_Neko]

i would think a hard code to keep you from running around the map killing everything while taking no damage because you're at max levels. which so goes against what kenshi is. you can become a killing machine, but someone somewhere can still take you down.

this is based on my using my Stronger Combat Mod, As i have some bosses and others have some of the highest stats and best gear in game. but you still need a way to damage them. so max level doesn't mean unstoppable, just means damn hard to take down.

[Gecekusu]

Hmm.. Good questions but i really dont want to delve into coding stuff. Because we would require official information which even hatsune herself doesn't have apparently. And if they haven't clarified these things until now they probably have some reason i guess? Well i am the new guy here so you would know better anyway.

Have you ever tried sending a private message to the developers? Do they answer?

[Hatsune_Neko]

they will answer if your having issues with like getting into the forum. Or have other issues with the Forum, which i need to do at times, but on a general level i don't talk to them via that method unless i really need to.
but on a general level. they usually won't answer a general question. if they do it would be in the forums.

and the PMs have limited amount you can have. ( 50 ) just imagine how many people IM them. i'm sure their inboxes have been full for years with people wanting personal help from them or questions in general.
your best chance is here in the forums so they can give out answers to everyone instead of one person at a time.

[Gecekusu]

Yeah, it is only understandable that they wouldnt answer pm. Well, philthy i think you wont get an official answer.

İ have started the blog project. İ will start gathering stories of other players now. İ will create a topic for people to share their stories + stories from that other topic created by komatru will help me create ideas for the story. İ will make a new topic for players to share their experiences. İ would appreciate your story too hatsune and philthy .. The story will be delivered light novel style.. Well then, lets see where this goes hmm...

[Hatsune_Neko]

my story is already here and on steam and with my NPC character Harmothoe in game.
i go under the tales of "Females of Kenshi"
basically amazonia warrior type. it's not a finished story because had RL interfere and i'm waiting for the rest of the map to open up too.

[Gecekusu]

my story is already here and on steam and with my NPC character Harmothoe in game.
i go under the tales of "Females of Kenshi"
basically amazonia warrior type. it's not a finished story because had RL interfere and i'm waiting for the rest of the map to open up too.

Yeah, i have read a bit of your story just now and it seems really cool! Your character is implemented in the game? That is so cool! Harmothoe seems to have a lot of potential story-wise.. İ will have to include Harmothoe in my story too though since she is in the World of Kenshi that i will be writing a story about..
İ hope you dont mind?